
The Margin Method
The Margin Method™ Podcast is for founders who want to grow intentionally creating profit, systems, and freedom at every stage.
Hosted by Steve Coughran, a founder and strategic finance expert who’s led billion-dollar turnarounds, this show shares real-world strategies to build financial, operational, and leadership margin the true foundation of a business that scales, sustains, and sells.
Because margin isn’t just about better numbers. It’s about building a business that gives you profit, freedom, and a life you actually want to live.
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The Margin Method
105: Scale with Systems, Not Just Headcount
Think you’re scaling? You might just be multiplying chaos.
In this episode of The Margin Method Steve breaks down the dangerous myth that growth means adding more people and reveals why true scale is built through systems, not headcount.
With stories, red flags, and a powerful 3-pillar framework, he shows you how to escape the growth spiral and build a business that runs without you. If you're the bottleneck, the firefighter, or the answer to every question this episode is your wake-up call.
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(0:00) Are you building a business that grows through systems or are you just adding (0:03) bodies to fight the chaos? And if you're the bottleneck, the firefighter or the one (0:08) everyone still relies on, it's time to start building your machine.
(0:13) This is The Margin Method, where I help ambitious founders build businesses with real financial (0:18) margin, operational efficiency and leadership freedom. The foundation for a company that (0:23) grows sustainably and actually builds value. I hope you share and enjoy.
(0:28) In the last episode, we unpacked the cash flow problem. So if you haven't listened to (0:33) that one, go back and check it out because revenue means nothing, right? Nothing. If (0:38) you're always stressed about payroll.
(0:42) So today we're going to shift gears a bit, but staying in the same lane of real scalability. Let me start with a statement that might sound (0:48) a little harsh. If your only way of handling growth is hiring more people, you're not (0:53) scaling. You're just expanding the chaos.
(0:58) Now, don't get me wrong. I'm all for building a great team, but if every new customer means you have to hire someone else just to keep (1:03) up, that's a fragile model.
(1:09) So in this episode, I'm going to talk about why systems, not just headcount, are the key to scaling without burning out. So let's go ahead and jump in.
(1:15) So many founders fall into this pattern. Revenue grows, workload grows, workload grows, (1:21) stress grows, stress grows, they hire. Hiring grows, overhead grows, overhead grows, profit (1:29) disappears, and suddenly growth doesn't feel so good anymore.
(1:35) It's actually terrible. I call this the growth spiral. So you're moving forward, but everything feels heavier with each step.
(1:41) You built a business that's only as strong as the number of people carrying the weight. (1:45) And that's not scale. That's just more bodies, more complexity, more stuff to manage.
(1:51) And I talked about this in a previous episode where a CEO wanted to scale his business. He hired a bunch (1:56) of people and he thought, okay, I'm going to bring these people on. They're smart, they're (2:00) qualified. They're going to build out the systems and then voila, we're going to grow.
(2:04) But it didn't work out that way. They lost a ton of money, right? And almost went under. So I don't want (2:10) that to happen to you.
(2:10) Let me share another story too. A few years back, I was working with a (2:15) service-based company. They had grown fast from six people to over 40 in just under two years.
(2:20) So on paper, it looked like success. But the CEO, he was fried. He was on 10 plus calls a day. (2:27) His leadership team couldn't make a decision without him. In profit margins, they were (2:31) slipping fast.
(2:31) It was a very bad situation. And when I asked him about systems, he said, (2:36) yeah, we have SOPs, standard operating procedures. We have a Google drive full of checklists. People (2:42) can find what they need, right?
(2:42) But when I asked his team, they said, we're not sure where anything (2:47) lives. We just asked Dave. So this is a classic example.
(2:54) Oftentimes, and I'm not saying SOPs and checklists are bad. I'm a big advocate for them. But if people aren't using them, then it's just (3:01) a complete waste.
(3:01) So like I said, classic example here, they weren't scaling, they were just (3:06) surviving. And Dave, he was a system. It wasn't the SOPs and the checklists that were the system.
(3:13) So maybe you feel the same way. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you're good. But here's the thing.
(3:17) Hiring people is easy. Building a machine that works without constant human input, (3:22) that's hard, but that's scale.
(3:29) In fact, with key man risk, that's when the entire business relies on one person or a group of key people. That can be really problematic. And the way to solve that (3:35) is through systems, is through scalable systems.
(3:41) But the truth is oftentimes leaders, they just want to hire more people, but people can only solve your problems up to a point. Beyond that, (3:46) if your processes are a mess, if knowledge lives in people's heads or performance isn't even (3:53) tracked, you're just multiplying the mess. You're just scaling the problem.
(3:59) More people doesn't necessarily mean more progress unless you have the systems in place first. That's the key.
(4:05) So here are three signs that you're scaling the wrong way. So we'll get practical here and I'll (4:11) share with you the red flags that you might come across that indicate that you're scaling through (4:17) head count, not systems.
(4:17) All right, so here's number one, red flag number one. You're stuck (4:21) in decision fatigue. If every single issue lands on your desk and you're the bottleneck for approvals, (4:28) answers, or directions, and trust me, like I've been there before in my role as a CEO running a (4:33) business, I can tell you that's a systems gap.
(4:38) So that's number one. If you find yourself in the spot, everything's flowing through you and you're the bottleneck, that's a big problem. (4:42) That's a giant red flag. That's not a pink flag. That's a giant red flag.
(4:47) Or maybe it's somebody else in your organization. Everything has to flow through Sarah or Dave or whoever it may be.
(4:52) Number two, your onboarding process is just figure it out as you go. So if every new hire (4:58) has to shadow someone or ping teammates for info, that's not onboarding. That's called tribal (5:04) knowledge.
(5:04) So having a system for onboarding is really key.
(5:10) Number three, your org chart is top heavy. It looks like an inverted triangle. So if you keep hiring managers just to keep people (5:15) accountable, it probably means your processes aren't doing the heavy lifting.
(5:20) And this is what I often say to owners too. Too many companies, they don't spend the time to build the systems, (5:27) so they're hard on the people. And the way that I prefer to run a business is build the processes (5:34) and be hard on the processes and soft on the people.
(5:39) But like I said, companies don't have processes, so they're soft on the process, but they're hard on the people. That's backwards. (5:44) That's how you create burnout and you destroy morale and you create high turnover.
(5:50) So like getting in somebody's face and yelling at them because your system is terrible and it's not (5:54) well-documented, that's on you. So you shouldn't be doing that. So you should be looking internally (5:59) and I've had to do that myself.
(6:04) That's why I could say this. There have been times where I'm frustrated (6:05) with people and then I look at my system and I'm like, no wonder why I'm so frustrated. It's my (6:08) system. It's not the people. So that's a side note.
(6:15) So check this out. As a CEO, you're not meant to be the operator forever. That's the truth. Your job is to become the architect.
(6:20) So that means designing systems at scale, creating structure your team can plug into, building dashboards, (6:26) not doing data entry, setting outcomes, and not just managing tasks.
(6:32) So when you shift from an operator to an architect, I can tell you everything changes. You stop reacting and then you start (6:38) engineering and that's what your business needs.
(6:44) So let's break this down into a framework. So I'm going to give you three pillars that I focus on when helping a business scale with systems.
(6:49) Pillar number one is process. Every repeatable task needs a clear documented process, (6:56) but don't overcomplicate this, right?
(7:01) Start with the stuff that happens most often, like sales, client onboarding, delivery, billing, et cetera.
(7:07) Or what you could do is you could ask yourself, you say, all right, if I left, if I went on vacation, turned off my phone, nobody could get (7:13) ahold of me, what would break first and what would be the most problematic thing to break?
(7:18) And then start documenting that.
(7:18) So just use a simple SOP structure and SOP stands for standard operating procedures.
(7:24) So begin with what is it? Who owns it? What triggers it? What's the step-by-step (7:31) and what tools or templates are needed?
(7:31) And even better, you can record a Loom video (7:36) walking through it and it's fast and your team can then watch it anytime.
(7:42) And I think Loom has a new AI capability because I was talking to my brother about this the other day at lunch, (7:46) and he's really good at putting together like operating guides and whatnot for his business.
(7:50) He's like, you could record the Loom video and then AI will transcribe that and it will create (7:56) it into a checklist and a step-by-step. So check that out if that's interesting to you. That's (8:00) Loom, L-O-O-M.
(8:00) Okay. Pillar number two is performance. You can't improve what you don't (8:06) measure.
(8:06) So set up simple dashboards that show, are we doing the work? Are we hitting the goal? (8:13) Is the process creating value?
(8:13) So for example, how many leads do we convert this week? How many (8:18) customer tickets were resolved on first touch? And what's the average time to delivery?
(8:25) So you don't need a hundred KPIs, just track the ones that are right, that are consistent.
(8:30) Like at Coltivar, that's what we have. We have software for our clients and all of our clients are on the (8:35) software and they have access to core KPIs.
(8:35) So we measure things like LTGP to CAC, lifetime gross (8:41) profit of a customer to CAC, customer acquisition costs. We measure gross profit, revenue per (8:46) employee, return on invested capital, just to name a few.
(8:53) And all these KPIs are in one place on a very easy to read dashboard. It's graphic. You could click on it. You could look at trawling (8:57) to a month, but a tool like this has been extremely valuable for our clients.
(9:02) And you could have something like this too in your business. Just make sure you have some type (9:06) of dashboard so you know what's going on in your company.
(9:11) All right. Pillar number three, people in the right roles. So systems don't replace people. They empower people.
(9:17) But for that to work, your team needs clear roles, documented responsibilities, authority to make decisions (9:23) within their lane, and success measures.
(9:29) So at Coltivar, we call them success measures. Every employee should know what does success look like in their role, and then they should score them (9:35) once a quarter.
(9:35) We use a system where we just score these success measures, green, yellow, red. (9:38) Green's on track, yellow's slightly off track, red's like a major problem.
(9:44) So when employees have success measures, they know what does success look like in their role and what's expected of (9:49) them, and it makes all the difference.
(9:53) All right. So check that out.
(9:53) All right. When you get this right, people stop bringing you problems and start bringing you results.
(9:58) And that's when the flywheel starts spinning.
(10:04) So here's a quick story. One founder I worked with was convinced, okay, she was convinced she needed to hire three new people to handle growth.
(10:09) So instead, we documented her customer onboarding process. We automated the intake form. We built a simple checklist, (10:14) and we added a shared calendar.
(10:14) Then we hired one person with the right skills and trained them to (10:20) own that entire system.
(10:20) The result, they doubled capacity with fewer errors, and they didn't need (10:26) the other two hires.
(10:26) And that's huge. That's huge leverage. That's the power of process, (10:31) people, and clarity.
(10:37) So let me ask you, are you building a business that grows through systems, or are you just adding bodies to fight the chaos?
(10:43) And if you're the bottleneck, the firefighter, or the one everyone still relies on for answers, it's time to start building your machine.
(10:49) Okay. So just start small because it could be overwhelming. Trust me. I've been there.
(10:54) Pick one process, document it, train your team, track performance, and let it run without you.
(11:00) Because the real goal isn't to do more, it's to do better.
(11:07) So scale isn't about working harder. You know that, right? It's about designing a business that works with or without you.
(11:13) All right. So in the next episode, we're going to get into the five metrics every founder must know (11:18) cold.
(11:18) Okay. And this is going to be really critical because systems give you control, (11:23) but metrics give you visibility.
(11:27) So you're not going to want to miss this one. We're going to talk about return on invested capital, return on labor, cash velocity, and the numbers that (11:32) actually move the needle in a growing business.
(11:37) So if you haven't subscribed yet, be sure to do that. So you get notified every time I drop a new episode and share this with a founder who is (11:43) hiring like crazy and still stuck.
(11:48) So that's one way you could be a part of this movement is just help share this with other individuals who are also trying to scale and sell their business.
(11:53) Be sure to message me down below, send me some comments. If this episode hit home for you (11:59) and just remember, you're not just a CEO, you're the architect of a business that lasts.
(12:04) So let's build it right. And if you need help with any of this, you can always connect at (12:09) coltivar.com and we have a ton of resources there. So be sure to check that out.
(12:14) All right, I'll catch you in the next one. Take care of yourself. Cheers.